Discussion:
[California]
I have created a "video" which is composed of several clips from a movie, edited together (with fades, etc) and music in the background. I would like to show this at a church.

The church holds a video license (CVLI) and music license (CCLI) that cover public non-profit showing of this movie and this song, respectively.

Would fair use and the licenses held cover the showing of this "video"?
Answer:
[California]
Would fair use and the licenses held cover the showing of this "video"? No, CVLI doesn't cover making derivative works nor performing them.
Your license with them only allows you to perform commercially produced videos. Is specifically disallows editing them into other forms. The CCLI also does not cover the use of music as sound tracks or production of works other than recording of your church's one live performances.
It's certainly NOT fair use. You're infringing.
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Thanks Ron, I appreciate the quick reply. I just took a quick look at the CVLI terms and yes, there's definitely a clause that excludes derivative works from the terms. I guess it's a dead-end road... how feasible do you think it would be to obtain direct permission from the copyright holders? Or is there another mechanism in place similar to CCLI/CVLI that would allow something like this?
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You can ask the copyright holders directly. Some might agree to it for a church production. You won't be able to use any of the clearing houses to do this however, there's no statutory requirements. Best would be to write the copyright holders directly. Don't tell them you've already done it, ask if you can.
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The CCLI also does not cover the use of music as sound tracks or production of works other than recording of your church's one live performances. Hey Flying Ron, just wondering where you got the above info? Can't seem to find it on the CCLI site. As far as I know movieclips from the original product (not a copy, or taped of tv, et.) are allowed, nor does a CCLI license prohibit the use of songs as background music in selfcomposed videos. Thanks!
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Hey Flying Ron, just wondering where you got the above info? Can't seem to find it on the CCLI site. As far as I know movieclips from the original product (not a copy, or taped of tv, et.) are allowed, nor does a CCLI license prohibit the use of songs as background music in selfcomposed videos. Thanks! He's not performing them from the original product. He's reediting them into a new derivative video. That's not allowed.
CCLI doesn't cover performance rights at all and certainly doesn't address synchronization rights which he would need to put music as a soundtrack for a video. What makes you think it does? Further it covers recording only of live worship services. I get the feeling the music he is using in a background is not in that category.
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He's not performing them from the original product. He's reediting them into a new derivative video. That's not allowed.
CCLI doesn't cover performance rights at all and certainly doesn't address synchronization rights which he would need to put music as a soundtrack for a video. What makes you think it does? Further it covers recording only of live worship services. I get the feeling the music he is using in a background is not in that category. Agree with your first paragraph. As far as the second: Doesn't CCLI allow churches to play any song covered by the CCLI license, while showing a video (say a home made one, or one with a variety of clips) or powerpoint presentation? Say a church puts together a video/ppt presentation to start off the pastor's sermon, and this video/ppt presentation consists of among other things, pictures (submitted by congregants) or pics off of paid for 'clipart' websites, don't they have the right, WHEN they have a CCLI license to underscore this presentation with music?
What if permission is obtained and a presentation is made consisting of short movie clips, does CCLI allow a song to underscore this video then? I just never heard of it not being allowed in those ways, nor can I find that on CCLI's website (maybe I missed it?) or in any of their info?
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As far as the second: Doesn't CCLI allow churches to play any song covered by the CCLI license, while showing a video (say a home made one, or one with a variety of clips) or powerpoint presentation? No it doesn't. The CCLI covers various issues regarding copying the music (lyrics, vocal line) for the congregational use in a service. It just doesn't cover making soundtracks for videos (whether the video is produced by the church or it is some externally produced material). The scope of CCLI is specifically limited. If it doesn't cover it, you need to obtain the rights elsewher.
Say a church puts together a video/ppt presentation to start off the pastor's sermon, and this video/ppt presentation consists of among other things, pictures (submitted by congregants) or pics off of paid for 'clipart' websites, don't they have the right, WHEN they have a CCLI license to underscore this presentation with music? No, the CCLI doesn't cover that. The CCLI covers the use of the vocal line and lyrics for live worship and the limited recording of the same. It doesn't provide for the performance of prerecorded music.
I just never heard of it not being allowed in those ways, nor can I find that on CCLI's website (maybe I missed it?) or in any of their info? You seem to have the understanding of the law exactly backwards. It's got nothing to do with whether the CCLI "PROHIBITS" anything. You are prohibited by the federal copyright law already. The CCLI has to give you rights under it's license. Only those things it specifically says you can do are allowed.
If you are a licensee, the details of what is allowed is in the CCLI License Manual. They don't publicize the license unless you are a licensee.
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Thanks - I don't mean to stir up anything, I was just curious, and obviously misunderstood what CCLI covered. I've worked at several churches, and part of my job was doing the things I described. The churches had/have CCLI licenses, and I thought/was told that that was covered.
By any chance, is there something 'like' the CCLI license out there that does cover the use of music in the ways I described in my previous posts without specifically asking permission from the copyright holders?
PS: The CCLI website has a (short, perhaps not comprehensive?) list of what it does NOT 'allow'/cover.
Thanks for your time.
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Not as such. There are "clearance" organizations that can arrange specific rights for you but I know of no "blanket" license like CCLI.